Belgian Police Stumped by Death Note Manga Murder

Just because no blood or fingure prints were found does not mean his is a genius. It may be due to extreme caution, or paranoia, the list could go on and on. Ofcourse you cannot rule out that factor anything can be possible, but to go so far as to actually believe you are a character from an anime may mean he has a personnality disorder of some-kind. His mind cannot be stable; he/she may have done this crime because he believes people will sapport him and his cause. Murderers like Kira and Hannible Cannible (Lord of the Flies) do not exist in the real world. If they did the human race would be in the most literal sense screwed, because as much as I hate to say it but I do not believe the police are very efficient. These are a few reasons this person may not be intelligent.

no they do not have to be a ginus, they gust had to do all the planing right. this person must have looked a every varible in doing this. the person must eather be bald or knew how to hold there hair in something to where it would not fall out and be found. of course there is also the posibility that the "i am Kira" is just a cover up. and the desu or "dess" as the person spelled it means they mite not know japanies. and he or she mite be trying to throw of perple looking into the case by writing the note to where it seems a girl wrote it. but still who knows. i will give them credit they pulled this off well.

I would not presuppose that I am smarter than the police who handled this murder. However, I have several insight into this matter.

I must say that the murderer, whoever he was,

1.) Lives in the area, circa 2 cities from the scene of the crime.

2.) Walked that distance, as indicated by

a.) No smell of gasoline... if the area had never had a car over it, the smell would have been there.

b.) Cars leave heat trails that stay for over 48 hours.

c.) No bike equipment was found in the vicinity that was unaccounted for.

1a) Had a bike been the vehicle MO, there would have been signs.
Dead bodies carted on a bicycle, if not receiving attention, do
drop at least dead skin cells that were NOT found.

1b) Rubber flakes off when you start a bike up, and none was found.
This indicates that more time than police have acknowledged was
used to prep the body for the death, having to manually ship the
body via box, or, more likely, in a bath of sorts, which catches
blood.

3.) The body was stored in a controlled atmosphere for longer than 3 days.

a.) While preserving the body, this would have kept conditions ideal for
ensuring minimal loss of skin cells and maximum loss of identifying
features. This, of course, presupposes that
1a) The victim lacked certain features as tattoos and piercings.

b.) Hair has extremely stunted growth, but does not fall out naturally,
when a person dies. Therefore, to have eliminated traces of hair
that would have automatically identified an individual, the murderer
must have shaved all hair, then used tweezers to remove them.

c.) No blood was ever found. For a murderer, the best way to acheive
this is simply to dump the body in a tub, and suck the blood out,
much the way morticians do to dead bodies. This also disguises the
identity of the murdered individual, because blood loss is well known
to give a lighter pigment to people.

4.) The police investigation method was tailored by the murderer to allow her to get off easy.

I'll get to why I say 'her' in a second.

a.) The murderer rid herself of incriminating evidence

1a) There is no hair, an identifying feature

2a) Blood has been removed.

3a) The leg hair has been shaved... which could have identified hair color and thus set up a list of who was murdered and who could be suspects.

b.) Employed tactics limit the suspects

1a) Travelers would logically be selected and detained... the murderess would have known that

2a) Removed blood indicates access to a plumbing store or store with plumbing access. Or personal usage, which can not be verified without a warrant that can't be verified without that information, etc

3a) The murdered person was close to the murderess. The reasons I say this are simple: 1) There is no sign of a bump or force, which would not be removed by the time of discovery and 2.) No individual came forth saying that a relative or friend had been missing for some time, which begs the question of who could know.

4a) Assuming that point 4b3a is accurate, the only way that the murderess could hold an alibi is to state that the friend, relative, or so on left via car. Not plane, which is trackable, but car. This supports the notion that the murderess lives within two cities of the incident, and gives an alibi in that it is acceptable to not hear from another person on a trip for a couple of days without thinking that something wrong has happened.

5a) Death Note references. Fine. Understood. Let's think about this... you've got a murderess who has killed the individual, dropped not one spot of blood, and dropped not one piece of hair, and never let a single skin cell hit the ground. This same person accessed the murder scene in a time that nobody would be around, in a place very few would suspect, using a transportation method for herself and the body in such a way that it's untraceable. Finally, this SAME person has not been caught. Statistics show us that the majority of people who watch anime, particularly Death Note, are male teens.

Come on. It's not a huge leap of faith to believe that this same person didn't have the foresight to throw the police off the trail by leading a clue in the wrong direction, much like something out of Agatha Christie.

****CONCLUSION****

The killer is quite cunning, and though the body statistics seem to indicate a medical joke, it's not. Additionally, the killer was intelligent enough to use that as an advantage, and throw suspicion on this whole murder. If I were the Belgian police, I would investigate

- Women
- Those with access to plumbing tools or water line construction.
- Have lived in the area for longer than three years prior to the incident.
- Ages 20 - 35
- Those with freezers
- Mortician receipts
- Rented cars in country
or
- Incoming flights w/o rented cars
- Two cities radius of city with body

Roxas out.

Your directly challenging him. Well M email me at swords_massia@hotmail.com(my watari) and help me resovle this case, email quickly as to i can see who is willingly to cooperate.

well i have gained very much respect from you i am glad to see i am no the only one who thinks they need to use there skills to help. Well i belive we should team up if you would like to i am willing to work with anyone that has the gut to say that so if you do want to work email me at DarkMasterCheif@yahoo.com

I will give you my name later it's best you don't know now

if you realy want to find me im in st. joesph missouri

Well F, i am also after this "kira". If you are willingly to cooperate then email me at watari's email(swords_massia@hotmail.com) and i will help you, and vice versa bring this case to an end.

I belive i should tell my name my name's Akuma aka K.
Anybody willing to stop this mad man i would love to work with anybody who belives they have the skill to take "kira" down i'm will to work with anybody to stop this man from killing any more people for the sake of showing his power to the world

PS i have posted as "It's best you don't know"

That we have the entire alphabet working this case. Very well. If anyone wishes to recieve my help, respond here and I shall contact you. If not, then I shall do it on my own. This is a direct challenge to Kira. You will be caught. I promise you this. Your first mistake was using the name "Kira". That brought you too much attention, which, I fear was your intention. This means you are either extremely competent or you are bored. Either way, you will be brought down. I promise.

i will help you L, just email me at Watari's email. mentioned in 2 other comments.

DNA tests are impossible without a sample to compare them to, and missing persons rarely have a DNA sample on file; in most cases, the sample is only in relation to previous criminal activity of the calibre that would require a DNA test. Believe me, as a chemistry student on the medical track, I should know.

As for all of you Alpha-battlers, consider this: do any of you live in or have access to Belgium? Do you have access to police records? Do you have access to any type of equipment? Do you have any sort of license to investigate? If this is all some sort of elaborate role-playing game, I apologize, but these comments are getting quite ridiculous.

ok fake L, i would just like you to give up and tell us your not really L because if you truely had been following this case the way the rest of us had you would know that there was NO DNA or RNA found on the victim, and even if there was chances are they took the sample and tested it, finding nothing in their databases,
so next time you go impersonating a hero, at least do your homework

I speak freely and agree with your deduction of the crime commited. Althought this is of high interest espeacially with the topic locally asscoiated with. What I find undefined is the bizarre yet humorus mangas of all. Death Note. Of all fractured motives, why this at the very least? There is an intimacy between motive with killer and manga, a hidden force of acusation for this murder- if to say. But in my own despute I find this awkwardly unbalancing something odd like the group Corpus which is now working on this case with the dutch police, efforts otherwise fruitless.Yet reported ealier between 1996 and 1997 a case of unsolved (5) women murder cases. This is all I have to say on the subject.

The second note that they found was a duplicate of the first one, just in different color ink. Any who, I agree with you "L".

-Kitsu

I myself, am an avid fan of the series, and a Kira supporter definitly. But my take on this death, is simply this. If a person has come in contact with a notebook, It all doesn't really add up. One murder, two notes.. Still I can't lay aside the fact that this is really suspicious. If this new "Kira" indeed does have a notebook, then obviously he doesn't have the grip or knowledge of justice as the orginal Kira, or Yagami Ratio.. My theory would be that this new Kira possibly had possesion of the notebook, tested it's power and now that he realizes it works he is terrified of being caught and is in hiding. I can only be more sure of this theory if more people are brought to justice, then I will believe. If not, it is only a short time before this world becomes anew. Long live Kira! Kira is Justice! and all who oppose Kira, shall be brought to justice as well!!!

-Ratio

Is this a game? Or are you all honestly trying to figure this out?

The fact that the prank was in September makes the prank more likely than in the summer. In the US, med schools open in June, but the report says that the schools were only just opening. This implies that the schools were either closed over the summer, or were ending then. If they were closed, students would not have access to cadavers at all. If they were opened, students would be worried about their final examinations and residency placements, and such (assuming the Belgian system is similar to the American one). However, I agree that the likelihood of it being a harmless prank is low, improbable even, as nearly a year has passed and no one has come forth. Even if the students were frightened of reprisal, in the most likely scenarios, someone would have told.

As for your suggestion of a preservation effect, 9-13 C isn't nearly cold enough to preserve a human body; that would require freezing or subfreezing temperatures, or walking around in winter would be much more dangerous for humans than it is.

I do, however, agree that the shorn testicles may indicate a psycologically damaged individual. Testicles, while chock-full of DNA, have no more identifying capabilities than the rest of the body. This may suggest that the pseudonym 'Kira' stems from mental instability rather than a more basic copy-cat crime.

I disagree, again, about your interpretation of the nature and execution of the crime. Finding a 20-30 man is not nearly as hard as you seem to think. Seduction is rather unlikely, but in such a situation, there is actually evidence that may point to the victim being a homosexual male. With so little evidence - or, at least, so little evidence available to the international public - it is impossible to divine the particular circumstances of the vic's death.

Finally, I agree with the lower post about the fact that the body had been chopped up and then left on the mountain. There was no mention of blood found on the mountain, which would suggest that the body was not mutilated on-site. The precision of the cuts would suggest that the body was frozen, and therefore easier to cut smoothly, or cut with surgical tools that medical students might have access to. Or both, of course.

There are many holes and leaps of logic in your theories. Then again, there were many such in Death Note, which I assume you are emulating.

I want you to know I am the male kira yes the female kira is only doing my dirty work for me

S if you are willingly i would like to cooperate with you and others to find an answer to this case. I have been working with my own sources but it is not enough right now, if you are willingly get watari's email and email me saying so. There are many interetsing facts you might be interested in hearing.

I agree with you as well s. L-san if you think that it was mabye to people it could be that there is all ready a second kira but in the sence of being used for suduction . In my beilf i think that it my be 2 kira's working togther but let's not call the second kira , kira yet not untill him/her kill's someone under one's own will. What im trying to say is that mybe there is a female conter part to the orignal "kira" so to speak

all of you can work your hardest to figure this one out, but without any more leads there will be nothing to go on
so the murder of another is absolutley, in my oppinion, inevitable
with that next murder which I expect on the killings anniversary
I also expect more evidence or at least something to find out if every murder will be carried out the same way or if it will alternate
in this case things will get interesting as I adn others have decided to take full action at this point, but i do wish all of you good luck in stopping the next killing

that is all
K

This Corpus group that you keep speaking of is no more than a group of crime scene investigators. They, as the name suggests, deal with dead bodies.

This Corpus group that you keep speaking of is no more than a group of crime scene investigators. They, as the name suggests, deal with dead bodies.

something like this would be a reply only the killer would have any reason for asking...
but im not accusing anyone

any one of us could be kira in fact who much of us has that much skill to actully be kira actully i have that skill but i must tell you i whould have turned my self in if i was kira and other then that i whould have not been that stupid

If you say this, does that mean you have admitted to everyone that you are Kira? No one in the right mind would say that, even if they were'nt Kira. And just becuase it says 'Watashi wa Kira desu' doesn't mean they mean from Death Note. 'Kira' is just another way of saying 'Killer' in japanese. They could've been saying it in different matters. As for me, I plan on catching ira in the act. I will get you Kira, I promise you that!!!!

K

i will refain from saying "kira"

Hello,
I'm just telling you, That the chance of This killer actually having a death note has raised to 12%. The percent changed about a week ago.
-KITSU

Perhaps you could help
I would love to work with every single one of you
It gets me ecstatic just thinking of it!
I would not request it under my lead
We should work as a group
as equals
If i pull some strings
after you have proven yourselves trustworthy
I could get you direct interaction with Corpus

Myra Hindley was a female serial killer.

i agree with you lovey . it is too my knowlge that it would be alot easier to belive that this is a man and ontop of when they talked to the jogger who was there before it happend she said that she saw a blonde man. Know she saw him two time's the first time he was near the spot it happened and the second time he was in the same spot. Know they belive it could be ethier the man who was murder or it's "kira"

yes, it is true that serial killers are male, more than not, as it is also true that 99.9% of them are white males. most serial start off as children who love to set fires and torture small animals.

There would be no need to mutilate the body to remove traces of any chemical. I don't have particular knowledge of this chemical without a name, but all chemicals either metabolize untraceably, are lost in the body's natural chemical decay after death, or are traceable given any blood sample. However, some chemicals are traceable in hair, which might give a reason for the shaving, provided it was done by the killer and not the vic. However, unless there was any medical evidence that the COD was an aneurism or toxin at all, this information is completely void.

These theories are getting pretty wild. Unless someone can find the COD, none of you can even really pretend to know what's going on.

wow, J, that is a very reasonable deduction... lots of logic and thinking involved, i can clearly tell... you you like to, if you already haven't, join myself( S_strange_yet_specific@hotmail.com ) along with several others, including my associate( Swords_massia@hotmail.com ) in investigating the belgian murder? we E-mail all new information on the murder to each other and keep each other posted on the new theories given on the forum as well as come up with our own theories and information based on previous information. if you would like to join us, or would like anyone else to join us, please contact S_strange_yet_specific@hotmail.com or Swords_massia@hotmail.com of course, you should use an E-mail address with false information about your name and whereabouts.

With no offense meant to anyone else, yours are the most reasonable conclusions I have yet seen made, and I especially like your last statement. I actually want to elaborate on yours.

Operating under the assumption that the killer is Belgian, then the boards he could have been on are limited, even in the Death Note community. Assuming he falls under the statistics of his countrymen, he may have been on boards of the following languages: Dutch (<60%), French (~40%), English (40%), or perhaps German (1-5%). English is the most likely one, despite percentages; the majority of fansites are in either English or Japanese, and since he has shown little knowledge of Japanese, even for a fan, then the site was most likely in English.

Or he may not have joined a site at all. I never really joined any sites when I started watching anime, but then, I'm a pretty casual fan. Or, if he did look at sites, he may have 'ghosted' them: visited invisibly. Either way, it would be impossible to track him. There are enough Death Note fans, enough Kira fans, enough Kira fans that spout empty threats that, if he was vocal about his ideas, he would fade into the masses. It would be much easier if he was copying some no-name anime.

However - bear with me here; I have succumbed and will try a little psychoanalysis - if 'Kira' really is a psychologically damaged individual instead of a copycat killer with a convenient attention-grabbing tagline, then it suggests that he possesses the same characteristics as Death Note's Kira.

For example does anyone think it's strange that 'Kira' would choose his monniker, would identify with that character to such an extreme extent, and then turn around and kill an innocent. Under the assumption that 'Kira' believes that he is Kira, or is the next Kira, his victim was either a criminal or a percieved criminal. If he was a criminal, he was not one in the DNA database. Then again, I don't know much about Belgian criminal records, or 'Corpus', so perhaps DNA IDing isn't as common there as it is here (which isn't as common as TV would have us believe).

Taking it a step further, still under the assumption of certain delusions that 'Kira' has, his murder weapon, in his mind, may be a notebook. Depending on the degree of any mental instability, he may write the name of his victim and time and cause of death in a notebook - his 'Death Note'. Then, consciously or not, he goes and kills the victim in the way he wrote. If he is not conscious of his behavior due to some mental defect, then voila - Death Note. Another possibility is that the mastermind isn't the actual killer, and someone was contracted to kill the victim based on what was written in the book. The latter is less likely, because this suggests a much larger-scale crime than the reality. Furthermore, depending on the level and type of the killer's mental instability, this type of rational thinking may be beyond him or her.

That was a terribly long wank, and I can find dozens of holes in my logic, but I'm bored and it's the best I can do with so little information.

I'd be willing to work with you. Contant me at Shikyomaru@yahoo.ca

glad to see you would like to help jf im glad to see you can step up and help

Excuse me, but I highly doubt that anyone dense enough would try and do that, unless they think they're a 'big shot' when they just repeat everything others say, but really they're just jumbling the intire investigation..

..Someone that goes about as 'H' was killed on April 28 2008, because she was certain she would not die that day. This is not some game that random people can jump in and play about. This is serious; kids, and teens the age of thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, and sixteen, should stay out of this investigation unless they are willing to die.

No more games.

..D

we know that our theories are generally useless but the fact of the matter is, all human beings seek knoledge... and we also love it when we're correct... aswell as knowing something that someone else doesn'... humans love the feeling of superiority, and as human beings we must strive to fullfill our natural instincts by solving this case on our own.

-"S"

Manga Murder or Kira case I do not care what its called. I go under the name of Y. Anyone and i mean anyone wishing to coopeate and join a team of investigators working on the case should email investigationteamL@hotmail.com saying so, and i will get baq to you immdieatly. The onyl conditions are you respect the fact its a murder and dont act like you know everything, otherwise we will just kick you off the team.

There was a mention in an earlier post about shorn testicles; I misinterpreted that as general hostility or psycopathy. As for this theory, I assume at least chromosomal analysis would have been conducted to make sure the parts came from the same victim, especially if it was thought to be med student mischief. While they have whole bodies, it's easier to get a hold of singular body parts; if they hadn't matched, the possibility of a prank would have been much heigher.

As you say,he might have a 'Death Note', but one of two kinds.

Most people with a mental disorder usually keep or have something with them to remind them of who thay are. As some of us know, you can buy a copy of a Death note at diffrent stores in the U.S and canada, or by mail. should he of gotten one, his mind could of started to forget the diffrence of whats real and not.

Chances of him haveing a fake 'Death Note', about 89%
Chance he has a 'Death Note' with supernatural powers, about 1.5% to 2.3%.

Please don't spam. That had no relevance to anything, and just because the note says "Watashi wa Kira desu" doesn't mean he was referring to the show.